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ABuenger ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 February 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1075 |
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SuperMario ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 February 2004 Status: Offline Points: 18057 |
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Looks nice
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ABuenger ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 February 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1075 |
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Actually really nice. And from my experience many users don't like the Blue and Black Office theme, they like the Silver one the most because it comes closest to their settings. So a theme that uses the system settings would be perfect! |
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ABuenger ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 February 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1075 |
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Btw., what happened with the Office 2003 theme? That one was really fast and lightweight! Any chance of getting it back? Ribbon with OS drawn caption would be nice. ![]() |
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znakeeye ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 July 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1672 |
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ABuenger, where did you get that screenshot? :o
I agree! Skinning is not always desirable!
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ABuenger ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 February 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1075 |
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That style was in the early 10.0 Betas ![]()
It isn't and it would also fix the problem that occur because of the missing WS_CAPTION style. Beta1 of Office 2007 didn't had the large Office button but a dropdown file menu with the Quick Access Toolbar next to it. I would like to see this style brought back with OS drawn caption. Of course updated to match the Office 2007 design guidelines. Group captions should be at the bottom etc. ![]() The only problem with OS drawn caption would be with contextual tabs: ![]() But this can be easily fixed by showing the "glow" directly behind the tabs. The tab on the caption bar has no function and is not required. ![]() |
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Oleg ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 21 May 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11234 |
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Thanks, Andre, its all good ideas :-) btw now you can also use standard caption instead themes - just don't call EnableFrameTheme. We will consider return Office2003 theme.
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ABuenger ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 February 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1075 |
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Yes, but actually then the app has two captions, the OS one and the Ribbon one ![]() ![]()
A theme which doesn't use bitmaps would be great. You could then define a colorset for Office 2003 or use the system settings. Kills two birds with one stone ![]() |
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Oleg ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 21 May 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11234 |
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Add also RibbonBar.ShowCaptionAlways = False
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Oleg, Support Team
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ABuenger ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 February 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1075 |
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Thanks, but doing this I found a bug in your RibbonSample. Just change this lines in CreateRibbonBar: pRibbonBar->ShowCaptionAlways(FALSE); //pRibbonBar->EnableFrameTheme(); Now run the app and click on the "View" tab, the tab will not be selected nor shown. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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ABuenger ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 February 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1075 |
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The file menu area need to be tweaked a little, it should be darker and there should be a seperator between the file menu and QAT. Also there should be a margin (2px ?) on the left and right side of the file button. And the arrow is not centered which looks really weird.
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znakeeye ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 July 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1672 |
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ABuenger, you usually have good opinions about GUI. If I qualify, perhaps we should try joining CJ
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Oleg ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 21 May 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11234 |
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Hi,
Seems we finally added Ribbon system theme. Hope you will like it :)
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Oleg, Support Team
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ABuenger ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 February 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1075 |
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Looks great Oleg, although this looks more like a Office 2003 theme. Could you upload the new Ribbon sample? As mentioned before I would like to use the Ribbon with the OS-drawn frame. The frame in the screenshot looks custom drawn, is it? Is the new look implemented as a color set rather than bitmaps? Then it should be easy to add the Scenic (Win7) Ribbon theme. ![]() |
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Oleg ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 21 May 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11234 |
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ABuenger ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 February 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1075 |
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System theme is slower than the other themes. If the system theme is selected and you scroll the client area (document) it flickers horribly. I would like to see a non-bitmap based Ribbon theme as the Windows 7 one with OS-drawn frame. |
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robin_l ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 15 October 2006 Status: Offline Points: 117 |
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Looks great, but doesn't seem to be in 13.0.0. Will this be included in the next update?
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Product: Xtreme ToolkitPro 2009 (13.4.1)
Platform: Windows 7 Ultimate(64bit) Language: Visual Studio 2010 (C++) |
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Oleg ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 21 May 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11234 |
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Hi,
Yes, it will be in next release.
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Oleg, Support Team
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terrym ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 13 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 836 |
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So this new File Menu will be in the next release? And I assume we will have choice whether to have current orb style button or this new Windows 7 style?
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ABuenger ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 February 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1075 |
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And I want the OS frame! |
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terrym ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 13 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 836 |
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Yeah would be good to have choice of OS frame also :)
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Terry Mancey email terry@tmancey.ltd.uk | linkedin www.tmancey.ltd.uk | twitter @tmancey |
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Oleg ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 21 May 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11234 |
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Hi,
If you will run our Ribbon in Vista you will see OS frame. Previous Windows don't support it. :(
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Oleg, Support Team
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ABuenger ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 February 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1075 |
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You can draw on the non-client area in Pre-Vista versions as well??? Also there is no need to draw on the caption bar:
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znakeeye ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 July 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1672 |
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Will this be included in 13.1? Sure looking forward to it... :)
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terrym ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 13 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 836 |
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Hi
We would have loved to see this also added for 13.1 but I am sure Oleg said it is not planned yet :( as we wanted to get our apps looking like Windows 7 way in advance
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terrym ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 13 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 836 |
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Is it me, or is everything moderated now :(
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SuperMario ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 February 2004 Status: Offline Points: 18057 |
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Yes Terry, it is true. We have had some policy changes that will be announced pretty soon.
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ABuenger ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 February 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1075 |
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Were these policy changes really required? Everything went well here for at least the last 3 years. |
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SuperMario ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 February 2004 Status: Offline Points: 18057 |
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I won't go into detail now, the official announcement will explain everything. Thanks for understanding.
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terrym ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 13 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 836 |
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We await in anticipation for the official update.
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kstowell ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 25 January 2003 Location: MIchigan, USA Status: Offline Points: 496 |
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Hi, moderation has been changed back, Groupie and Senior Members can post freely again.
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terrym ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 13 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 836 |
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Excellent, also please re-consider adding Windows 7 style ribbon themes to the next release of XTP as this is a request of a few users and a great thing to add early on.
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ABuenger ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 February 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1075 |
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Seems like Windows 7 and Office 2010 ribbon theme is going to be the same, just with a different color set. I really would like to see a fast, non-bitmap based, ribbon theme. http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13182 |
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terrym ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 13 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 836 |
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Cool, so do you also use Ribbons in your applications? What is your overall thought of them. We ourselves think they are the best thing since sliced bread lol
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ABuenger ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 February 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1075 |
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From this in 2006: ![]() To this in 2007: ![]() My problem with menus and toolbars was that just the Engine Control Unit has about 100 different settings, so 1 menu item for each setting + all menu items of the application itself, so a total of about 160 items back then. Toolbar was pretty useless with the 16x16 icons. I've made many changes to the Ribbon items since then because originally I tried to convert the menus 1:1 to Ribbon tabs/groups which doesn't work well. After I got used to the Ribbon I've regrouped everything again. |
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terrym ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 13 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 836 |
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Very nice :)
How did you get the File to appear like Windows 7? however I think i'll wait for proper themes to get exact
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ABuenger ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 February 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1075 |
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That was the old Office Beta 1 theme in 10.1 |
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terrym ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 13 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 836 |
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Ah, do you not use the latest themes from 13.0.0???
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ABuenger ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 February 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1075 |
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Sure. The screenshot was from 2007 ![]() |
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terrym ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 13 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 836 |
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Ah cool, is this a finished project, commercially available?
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ABuenger ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 February 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1075 |
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Here is a screenshot with the current theme. Japanese translation is not yet finished ![]() Project is not yet "finished" and probably will not be for some time to come. Still many missing features on the PC and ECU (launch control, telemetry, ...) side. ![]() |
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terrym ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 13 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 836 |
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Cool, its great to see other projects being written with XTP.
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ABuenger ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 February 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1075 |
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It was the obvious choice. The ECU and PC app shares some of the source and you don't want your ECU to run Windows CE with a .NET application ![]() When I've started the app I've used BCG, but later versions degraded the performance more and more. The app is heavily multithreaded to get the best performance for background logging etc., but with BCG whenever you moved the mouse over an UI element, opened a menu etc. the sampling rate went down. When they released their Ribbon implementation I've compared BCG to the XTP again and XTP won big times *hands down*. So far I haven't regretted the decision. So I don't care if competitor X has feature Y a month earlier when they lack quality and performance. |
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terrym ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 13 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 836 |
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Totally agreed, we never used other libraries but were recommended XTP by someone we knew who had already bought it.
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terrym ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 13 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 836 |
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Hi
Any idea when the rectangular office 2010/windows 7 documents (file) menu button will be implemented?
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I have a problem in Ribbon sample
Dear Brothers When you change the pattern of the system and alignment from left to right, it works perfectly, but when choosing alignment from left to right, and not to distribute the images are properly within the framework of the window e.g: Language: VB6 Language VB6 V.: Xtreme SuitePro ActiveX 2009 v13.1.0 "The new one"Xtreme SuitePro ActiveX 2009 v13.1.0 "The new one" |
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ABuenger ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 February 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1075 |
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Oleg ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 21 May 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11234 |
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Hi,
Yes, Ribbon SystemTheme doesn't support RightToLeft yet :-(
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znakeeye ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 July 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1672 |
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Will the themes be updated in next release? I really want to ship my software with "System theme", but I feel it's not ready yet. |
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znakeeye ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 July 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1672 |
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Maybe for 13.2.1? |
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Oleg ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 21 May 2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11234 |
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Hi,
If you don't have arabic/hebrew version of your application you don't need RightToleft feature.
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