Now Beta Testing v11.2.1.0
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Topic: Now Beta Testing v11.2.1.0
Posted By: SuperMario
Subject: Now Beta Testing v11.2.1.0
Date Posted: 22 October 2007 at 10:12am
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Hello all, Codejock is now accepting beta testers for Xtreme ToolkitPro, Xtreme SuitePro and all individual packages for version 11.2.1.0. Go to http://beta.codejock.com/ - http://beta.codejock.com/ for details on becoming a beta tester. Please allow up to 24 hours for confirmation. Please submit any issues to support@codejock.com or this forum so that they can be corrected for the final release. Thanks |
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Posted By: dennisV
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 10:45am
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just wondering - how stable do you consider the beta to be? Is it suited more to test new features or to weed out potential bugs? ------------- // W7 64 Ultimate SP1 // VS 2008 // CodeJock 16.2.3 (MFC) |
Posted By: SuperMario
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 10:52am
We would consider it stable.
A little of both. The beta gives customers a chance to try out new features before a release and also helps weed out some bugs that might not have been caught in testing. |
dennisV wrote:Posted By: dennisV
Date Posted: 23 October 2007 at 10:57am
ok, thank you - I had to ask because everybody has their own ideas on what a "beta" is  I'll probably test it out within a couple of days, hopefully some of my issues (from support) have been resolved there 
------------- // W7 64 Ultimate SP1 // VS 2008 // CodeJock 16.2.3 (MFC) |
Posted By: Alexey2
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 7:02am
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Yesterday I was registered in http://beta.codejock.com - http://beta.codejock.com but I can't see any download link. What's wrong? In Download Area I see "Includes 0 Files" for all records. |
Posted By: SuperMario
Date Posted: 24 October 2007 at 8:47am
In the activation email and on the beta homepage you should see this message that states you need to provide your order number and company name to the specified email: For Access to Betas Downloads: Once you have registered, please send an email to [ mailto:mms@codejock.com - mms@codejock.com ] to gain access to beta downloads. In the email you will need to provide your Username(for beta site), Order number and Company details. Beta testers must have an active maintenance subscription in order to qualify for beta testing. If you are not a customer, in most cases we can provide evaluation downloads that are available by request. |
Posted By: zaksoft
Date Posted: 25 October 2007 at 12:42am
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Sorry guys, but I dont understand your stategy.
two weeks ago you post a milestone release witout a beta, promising a bug fix in 1 week or 2 (that is the release was a RC waiting for bug report or you dont have time to finish or both).
Now for a bug fix release you open a beta.... really I cant understand your method. ------------- VS2022 - MFC MBCS Statically linked XTP 23.1 Static Link --------------------------------------------------------- Davide Zaccanti - ZakSoft - www.zaksoft.com |
Posted By: SuperMario
Date Posted: 25 October 2007 at 10:22am
This is the first time we have released a beta for any version. This is something we have been thinking about implementing and are now trying. There has been allot of interest in this and if everything goes OK we will continue this for each release. With this system in place we will have a method to deploy fixes to customers much faster than before. And we can release beta versions so customers can try out new features and fixes. We hope that you can understand. Thanks |
Posted By: kstowell
Date Posted: 25 October 2007 at 3:07pm
Good question. The beta site to provide immediate access to new features, bug fixes and customer requests, regardless if the next scheduled release is for 'maintenance' or a 'milestone'. In addition to providing immediate updates to our customers, our customers can then provide valuable feedback on the beta which helps us make sure we 'got it right' and have fulfilled our customers’ requests. In addition to providing immediate access to the latest code base, the beta site is designed to allow us a medium for introducing new products such as .NET WinForms and WPF betas that we will be introducing on a regular basis that our customers can try out.
Hope this helps to answer your question.
------------- Kirk Stowell, President and CEO CODEJOCK SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS< |
Posted By: ABuenger
Date Posted: 29 October 2007 at 7:55am
There was a 10.0 Beta1 and Beta2 just over a year ago So it's not the first beta.
Wouldn't it be better to give your customers read access to the trunk of your revision control system? That would minimize the overhead of creating installers for the Betas. Also it would be great to have a roadmap with the features planned for the next versions as well as a rough schedule for the WPF toolkit. And last but not least it seems that the development of the MFC toolkit has slowed down. Your MFC customers are paying for new features and not to fund the development of a .NET toolkit. |
Posted By: Tomasz
Date Posted: 29 October 2007 at 8:03am
| For me *MFC* toolkit is the one and ONLY reason to pay CodeJock and I don't want to pay for development of .NET stuff. |
Posted By: mgampi
Date Posted: 30 October 2007 at 4:57am
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Its the same for us! We're only interrested in MFC and new features for MFC based programming. There are a lot of companies providing .NET libraries, but we hate the overhead (software and maintenance) of such huge libraries. Thats the fact with ActiveX too. It's a nice attempt to reduce the development time for bigger apps, but it costs a lot of maintenance - version incompatibilities because another software installes an older/newer version of a component used by our application, and so on. And performance is most of the time worse than in plain MFC solutions.
We like the extra feature of source code availability - and when looking at the forum, I believe that most of the programmers focus and rely on this. ------------- Martin Product: Xtreme Toolkit v 22.1.0, new Projects v 24.0.0 Platform: Windows 10 v 22H2 (64bit) Language: VC++ 2022 |
Posted By: mlatona
Date Posted: 31 October 2007 at 10:29am
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The property 'handle' from ImageManager returns always 0.
Code example:
ImageManager.Icons.GetImage(1, 16).Handle
1 is the ID.
The same code works in 11.2.0
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Posted By: cradke
Date Posted: 31 October 2007 at 1:04pm
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We see the same bug, the OLE_HANDLE returned from the Handle property is always null. Reverting the dll back to 11.2.0 fixes the problem.
Chris
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Posted By: Oleg
Date Posted: 31 October 2007 at 2:02pm
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See Release Notes - now Image don't have handle. Use CreatePicture method to create single image. ------------- Oleg, Support Team CODEJOCK SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS |
Posted By: cradke
Date Posted: 31 October 2007 at 3:10pm
 This change is actually very much appreciated since it brings our GDI object count down from 885 to our pre-CommandBars total of 332. (CommandBars v11.2.0 was adding two counts per image).
We were able to work around this breaking change by using the ImageManagerIcon.Draw method.
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Posted By: Oleg
Date Posted: 31 October 2007 at 3:26pm
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Hi,
yes, we will remove Handle property for final 11.2.1 to prevent this question.
------------- Oleg, Support Team CODEJOCK SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS |
Posted By: ABuenger
Date Posted: 03 November 2007 at 8:19am
So with 11.2.1 being released, will we see a beta of the next version soon? |
Posted By: SuperMario
Date Posted: 03 November 2007 at 10:59am
Probably in 2 weeks.
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Posted By: kstowell
Date Posted: 08 November 2007 at 12:31pm
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Yes it is true that we are developing components for both .NET and WPF, however, we have no intention on slowing down or discontinuing development on our MFC products. We have several new features already planned for 2008 and will continue to enhance and improve upon the MFC libraries with the same dedication.
We have .NET developers who only work with .NET, and MFC developers who only work with MFC. Please don't be concerned with the future of our MFC support, it is not going anywhere.
Cheers, ------------- Kirk Stowell, President and CEO CODEJOCK SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS< |
Posted By: zaksoft
Date Posted: 08 November 2007 at 12:51pm
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I take this sentence as a promise for the future, but really (in my opinion of user since 4 years) the last version is very poor compared with the time you have taken and the upgrades we are used to have. I hope you have a loooong holiday (so now you can focus on new features), but if this is due to splitting devs in .NET this is not what we are searching for (if I'm wrong in using US instead of me please tell me).
Best wishes of course for your product, but I NEVER BUY a .NET version.
Davide
------------- VS2022 - MFC MBCS Statically linked XTP 23.1 Static Link --------------------------------------------------------- Davide Zaccanti - ZakSoft - www.zaksoft.com |
Posted By: kstowell
Date Posted: 08 November 2007 at 3:55pm
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I am not sure where you are getting your information, or who started the rumor that we are "splitting devs", but you are misinformed. As I stated earlier "We have .NET developers who only work with .NET, and MFC developers who only work with MFC" please make a note of it.
If there are enhancments or suggestions that you want to make regarding future releases, feel free to post them here http://forum.codejock.com/forum_topics.asp?FID=49 - http://forum.codejock.com/forum_topics.asp?FID=49 or send an email to mailto:support@codejock.com - support@codejock.com .
Have a nice day! ------------- Kirk Stowell, President and CEO CODEJOCK SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS< |
Posted By: cradke
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 6:41pm
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Maybe the MFC version won't be needed after all.
http://blogs.msdn.com/vcblog/ - http://blogs.msdn.com/vcblog/
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Posted By: Tomasz
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 6:46pm
| This is for Windows 2K and above ONLY. Still have customers using previous vers. |
Posted By: Sven
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 7:34pm
The "new" MFC controls are licensed from BCGSoft (BCGControlBar Professional). It will never be an alternative for Codejock users.
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Posted By: evoX
Date Posted: 09 November 2007 at 9:26pm
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right, codejock adds the features we need, I asked for something and in the next version they added that feature, this won't happen with MFC.
Also codejock offers a good support and help with coding issues.
It's good news to hear that the C++ support is coming back in the new VS, but this is a commercial gimmick.
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Posted By: znakeeye
Date Posted: 14 November 2007 at 4:40am
| So the new MFC controls are licensed from BCGSoft? That seems *very* unlikely. Microsoft has already got 100% working ribbon-classes. Why buy crappy code from BCGSoft? |
Posted By: kstowell
Date Posted: 14 November 2007 at 11:14am
Unfortuantely it is *very* true  . We got the word from the Visual C++ Program Manager himself, Bill Dunlap.------------- Kirk Stowell, President and CEO CODEJOCK SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS< |
Posted By: Shragel
Date Posted: 14 November 2007 at 12:21pm
| You can see the press release bcgsoft.com |
Posted By: evoX
Date Posted: 14 November 2007 at 2:32pm
| I think Microsoft don't want to give their own code, probably their ribbon classes are much better. |
Posted By: znakeeye
Date Posted: 19 November 2007 at 3:36am
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I remember I chose Codejock in front of BCGSoft when I started developing my modern applications. And I intend to continue doing so, but you do wonder why Microsoft chose BCGSoft. Were you even contacted by Microsoft in business or did they simply notify you about the deal? I guess they wanted some new GUI components that do NOT compete with their own 2007 GUI... sigh!
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Posted By: evoX
Date Posted: 19 November 2007 at 5:40am
| I did the same a few months ago, I chose codejock instead of bcgsoft, I think codejock it's much better. |
Posted By: ABuenger
Date Posted: 19 November 2007 at 9:08am
2 weeks later... |
Posted By: SuperMario
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 2:44pm
| We have decided to just do another maintenance release instead of a beta this time. That is the reason for the delay. packages are being prepared now. So it should be out next week. |
Posted By: ABuenger
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 4:10pm
I don't see the relationship between 12.1 and 11.2.2, those should be different branches where bugfixes are integrated into 11.2.2. ------------- Codejock support |
Posted By: kstowell
Date Posted: 21 November 2007 at 5:11pm
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Current release is 11.2.1, the next release will be 11.2.2. 12.1.0 beta will follow. ------------- Kirk Stowell, President and CEO CODEJOCK SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS< |
Posted By: ABuenger
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 2:17pm
An other 2 weeks later....  ------------- Codejock support |
Posted By: tobi
Date Posted: 10 December 2007 at 4:18pm
... and another one ... 
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Posted By: marpic
Date Posted: 11 December 2007 at 4:15am
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Hi evryone! Sorry for my english, but I do not write in english every day I have downloaded the evaluation version of the ActiveX control suite and am very impressed I develope in VB 6, and I try all your controls, but I find that many of them have not the standard VB Events, I found that there are some strings that aren't translated in the international resource file (SuitePro.ResourceIt.dll in my case) (like in the ColorPicker control)
It's very important in Italy (and also in Europe) to have a true numerical and date/time input, and in my experiences (15 years!) the only control that do it
Thank you very, very much
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Posted By: McKloony
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 7:44am
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Hello CodeJock Team, now please honestly. Whats the problem with die new release 11.2.2 ? I'm also waiting for answers of my support requests for more then two weeks and i get no answers. My Xtreme Suite ActiveX v11.2.1 Subscription ends at 02/22/2008, that could't be the problem. ------------- Product: Xtreme SuitePro (ActiveX) 16.2.5 Platform: XP / Windows 7 Language: Visual Basic 6.0 SP6 |
Posted By: ABuenger
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 9:03am
Kirk, what's going on at Codejock?
I don't know how much revenue you make from the Toolkit, but there is so much on the Wish List I would like to make use of  ------------- Codejock support |
Posted By: kstowell
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 10:23am
I am not sure where you got this information, however our primary goal has been to provide a major release every 3-4 months. 2 years ago we were able to provide a release every 3 months i.e. each quarter however that was not a realistic goal. This is why we changed the release version from Q1 to Vol 1 for 2007.
Again, I am not sure where this information comes from, however we will provide beta releases when new features / enhancements / critical fixes are introduced and we have a stable build. I think you would agree that it does no good to release an unstable beta version. We will try to get new betas up on a regular basis, but it is unrealistic to expect them on a weekly basis.
As with any development cycle, unforseen issues always come up. We try to predict an accurate timeline when we are going to provide a product release, however sometimes things happen that cause our schedule to slip. If we do not provide a hard date then we recieve a lot of pressure do to so. In 2008 we will try to be more accurate when providing realistic release dates.
SuperMario was out last week for a training conference so his responses may have been limited, however prior to that he was online and is presently online. I know he checks the forums daily.
Regarding the forums, this is a place where developers come to share knowledge. While we do make an effort to provide support here in the forums, we cannot always guarantee that we will on a timely basis.
As stated before, if you require immediate help, priority support is always provided to customers with an active support agreement. You can contact support by filling out the http://www.codejock.com/support/ - support form or sending an email directly to mailto:support@codejock.com - support , which will auto-generate a support ticket.
We have always provided support for our customers and the public forums. We have been doing so for nearly 10 years. We do have a full staff of developers including Oleg and many others behind the scenes that make this all happen, just so you know.
2008 is going to be a big year for new product releases and features for the Toolkit, we have no plans on slowing down. We are planning on incorporating many of the items from the wish list, in addition to other new features, so don't be alarmed we are already working on it.  ------------- Kirk Stowell, President and CEO CODEJOCK SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS< |
Posted By: marpic
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 11:02am
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dear Support and SuperMario
what do you think about my post?
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Posted By: SuperMario
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 11:45am
Please submit this to support and they will determine if it will be possible. |
Posted By: McKloony
Date Posted: 12 December 2007 at 1:28pm
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We have always provided support for our customers and the public forums. We have been doing so for nearly 10 years. We do have a full staff of developers including Oleg and many others behind the scenes that make this all happen, just so you know. And why I get no support anymore? I send a bug Description and a sample to reproduce to the support. Abd i send another question. That was on 27.11.2007 and 29.11.2007. No answer til now. ------------- Product: Xtreme SuitePro (ActiveX) 16.2.5 Platform: XP / Windows 7 Language: Visual Basic 6.0 SP6 |
Posted By: Oleg
Date Posted: 14 December 2007 at 2:57pm
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Hi,
Please give issue numer. ------------- Oleg, Support Team CODEJOCK SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS |
Posted By: McKloony
Date Posted: 15 December 2007 at 1:27am
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Issue #: 15611 Issue #: 15572
Issue #: 15773
Thanks ------------- Product: Xtreme SuitePro (ActiveX) 16.2.5 Platform: XP / Windows 7 Language: Visual Basic 6.0 SP6 |
Posted By: sdbrady
Date Posted: 21 December 2007 at 12:32am
| hello ,I'm just coming this field¬¬¬ |
Posted By: ABuenger
Date Posted: 09 January 2008 at 1:09pm
Ok, more than 2 months later, what is the purpose of the Beta site again? Beta? Release date? Feature list? ------------- Codejock support |
Posted By: Oleg
Date Posted: 10 January 2008 at 8:23am
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Hello,
When beta for 12.0 release will be ready, we will write here. Think it will be in the end of month. ------------- Oleg, Support Team CODEJOCK SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS |