When is 9.52 due?

Was the question that much complicated though? (No answer in 4 days)

Now there goes your proclaimed support... , where first you charge the earth,...

I didn't write anything 'cause I think support can write on it's own.... but since it seem everyone is insterested (like me) in 'upcoming' contents...

I wrote on dicember, 2 and on same day the answer:

Hello Davide,

I had the same answer. These guyes are good and fast to answer. The support is good too, my advice, get a one year maintenance warranty. It's worth it because there are frequent new releases and the code is awesome.

Philippe

Hello Everyone!

Yes the next version 9.6 will be ready by the end of January. We are going to be releasing v10 in mid February that will contain many new enhancements such as Outlook style date picker and appointment calendar control as well as a Visual Studio style syntax color editor...many good things are in the works.

If any of you have support questions and need immediate assistance please send them directly to support@codejock.com. The forum is a good place for developers to meet and and ask questions but support questions should be sent directly to support to ensure an immediate response.

Kind regards,
Kirk Stowell
Technical Support

Support wrote: Yes the next version 9.6 will be ready by the end of January. We are going to be releasing v10 in mid February that will contain many new enhancements ...

So I guess this means that 9.6 is now mid-February and 10.0 is end of February.

Can someone at Codejock please comment on this?  I think most of us have been holding our breath waiting for all the bug fixes in 9.6, and many have probably been trying to schedule releases of our own software around this update.

Ark42 wrote: You want it to be buggy now or polished later?

I don't want it to be buggy now, and I certainly hope they stabilize it before it's released.  If it's not stable, it's because of the new functionality they've added.  The bug fixes shouldn't have created a more buggy build of the controls.

I love getting new features, but I also want the existing features to work as expected.  My point is that we shouldn't have to wait 4 months for the numerous bug fixes to 9.51 (last release was mid-October).  There should have been a maintenance release by now that addressed the existing bugs.  I'm looking forward to the new features, but it's unfortunate that we have to live with the existing bugs until the new features arrive.

I find codejock utterly hopeless about keeping their paying customers informed about anything. Including how to use their libraries. How hard would it be for them to have a page on here showing:

* Next version due date
* A list of fixes
* A list of new features

There's no way of identifying existing bugs. They don't publicly acknowledge that they have fixed anything (unless it's mentioned in this forum). I mean, they could at least have an RSS feed with some of this stuff.

Well, I am also in a holding pattern on releasing my product. It is disappointing that many of the issues I’ve reported have been responded to with ‘it has been fixed and will be included in the next release’. So the solution exist but not for the customers.

I would ask that the maintenance release be immediate. Any tidying up (or polishing, (as some call it)) can be done with the features release that follows.  

Until then, count me with a black eye also…

1) Staying up-to-da with interface is important

2) Having bug-free program is more important

3) Fixing bugs is more then put a few lines of code and test if the function now works as aspected for the user reporting a problem, involves regression test to ensure that every related calls continue working

If you agree with this 3 points I dont understand the needs of a CVS (or dayly snapshoot)repository. This kind of feature are important if you are working into the project, if you are part of the team. I pay a subscription 'cause I want THEM to work and relase the software, I dont have time to correct their bugs or investigate why a problem occour. Sharing work on progress is wonderful in an open source, non in a commercial app. My customers ask working version, not beta, I do the same. We have to take care of our code, CodeJock of the library, we pay subscription for this (I hope). We already have many nightmare with releasing and checking our code, of course interface is a big part of today program so cheking a relelase involves also this aspect and we must re-check also used part of the library, but if we start changing every 1..2 month the interface we are always doing testing.. and manuals... (I hate manuals more the tests, and also CJ guys seems to have same idea, just see their documentation)

At this point I have to say I dont really understand releasing 2 version in 15 days...

If 9.60 is a bug-(semi)-free version is welcome, with few modification, we can insert, make test and release this code waiting for the new 10.0 (and for the 10.01 as usual for everyone), I think to be one of the first to ask the time frame for calendar and outlook control, but inserting theese requires code update (maybe upgrades), check, regression test, manual updates and so on... I think that the upgrade policies of CJ is quite good, maybe some monthly hot-fix are welcome...

So I'm waiting (as anyone else) new incredible feature that can inprove our apps, but I'm more concerned with the stability of the library.

thanxs for your patient and understanding for my english.

Davide

First of all, everyone take a deep breath.

Second, you are all developers.  How many times has your project date slipped?  Cut them some slack, would ya?!

Third, most companies don't post release dates.  When a date is given, it should be taken with a grain of salt.

Forth, you are working with constantly updated code - it is bound to break once in a while.  No, it's not your fault that it doesn't work.   Codejock should fix it.  If you need a workaround, log a support case - it's the fastest way. 

Overall, one must think of Codejock as a team of developers on YOUR team.  They are working for you and with you and are only human.  Give them a break!

Hi,

I have some good news. I received the following answer on  my message (send via Contact Support):

We have been very busy getting new product releases ready. We are scheduled to release the long awated v9.60 this weekend. After that we will be releasing v10 which will include several new features such as an appointment calendar and date picker control. This version should be ready by ther first week in March, sorry about the delays and we appreciate everone's patience.

Kind regards,
Kirk Stowell

P.S. I appreciate your offer to post a message on the forums, please feel free to pass this information along, thanks!

We apologize for all of the frustration that many of you have expressed. You will be happy to know that the forums have been updated and version 9.60 has been officially released!

You can download the latest release from the online store . We have put a considerable amount of effort into this release and hope that you find it meets your expectations.

Congratulations on the new Release Notes format, it is probably the best I have ever seen. It does not look like http://www.codejock.com/products/suite/release_notes.htm has been updated yet. Here is the list of changes for the curious:

ACTIVEX:

Version 9.60

February 15, 2005

Xtreme Toolkit Pro # Type Description 1 Important! Much of the source code has been cleaned up and reformatted with this release. This includes formatting changes made to common naming conventions for enumerations, structures and global functions. As a result many commonly used identifiers are now depreciated. To provide support for depreciated naming conventions you can add the following line of code to your stdafx.h file #define _XTP_INCLUDE_DEPRECIATED just before the line #include "ToolkitPro.h". See XTPDepreciated.h for a complete list of identifiers that have been affected. 2 New feature Added Themes support for standard controls. Added CXTMenuListBox, CXTTabCtrlTheme, CXTFlatControlsTheme, CXTCaptionTheme, CXTFlatTabCtrlTheme 3 New feature Added constans for TrayIcon to support BalonTip without latest PlatformSDK. 4 Fixing source CXTSplitterWnd::SetActivePane was declared as protected. Moved to public section. 5 Fixing source fixed errors and warnings for Intel(r) C++ compiler. 6 Fixing source Fixed All button themes to suppotr GetChecked/SetChecked. Sample updated. 7 Fixing source Fixed bug in XTTreeCtrl when both TVS_TRACKSELECT and TVS_CHECKBOXES used. 8 New feature CXTPTabPaintManager::m_bDrawTextPathEllipsis variable added. 9 New feature Changes to support IA64. 10 New feature CXTPImageManager::RemoveIcon added, CXTPImageManager::SetIcon(UINT) added 11 New feature Added Checked Icon in ImageManager collection. (xtpImageChecked) 12 New feature Added CXTPPropExchange supported by TaskPanel, CommanBars, DockingPane. Updated ToolboxSample. 13 Sample update Added Office2003 theme for GUI_Outlook sample. 14 New feature Added new xtpTaskPanelThemeShortcutBarOffice2003 15 Sample update Grep sample added Xtreme Suite Pro # Type Description 1 New feature CommandBarsDesigner: Added Import from/Export to XML; Import/Export to bitmap added. 2 New feature added XML Layout tab for CommandBarsDesigner. Xtreme Command Bars # Type Description 1 New feature CXTPDialogBar added. see CustomThemes sample 2 New feature Added WM_PRINT message handler to support AnimateWindow routines. 3 New feature Added CXTPCommandBars::RemoveAll method; CXTPCommandBars::SetToolBarClass, CXTPCommandBars::SetMenuBarClass, CXTPCommandBars::SetPopupBarClass static members. 4 New feature Added CXTPPopupBar* CXTPCustomizeSheet::GetContextMenu(); added CXTPImageManager* CXTPCustomizeSheet::GetCustomIcons(); 5 New feature CXTPStatusBars merged with CXTStatusBar 6 New feature All serialize methods removed to DoPropExchange to allow serialize to registry/archive/XML. 7 New feature Added support of IAccessible interface to enable "Magnifier" and "Narrator" tools. 8 New feature Enhances in NativeWinXP theme 9 New feature Whidbey theme moved to source code. xtpThemeWhidbey 10 New feature Added ability to resize ComboBox and Edit controls by user in Customize mode. 11 New feature xtpFlagControlStretched added. 12 New feature ReadOnly property added for Edit control. Xtreme Property Grid # Type Description 1 New feature virtual CXTPProperyGrid::CreateView added to support custom View class. 2 New feature added virtual CXTPPropertyGrid::OnBeforeInsert method. 3 New feature added CXTPPropertyGridItemConstraint class, added new CXTPPropertyGridItemEnum and CXTPPropertyGridItemFlags classes (see sample) 4 New feature CXTPPropertyGridItemCategory added 5 Fixing source Fixed problem with Date item with "%m/%d/%Y" format instead of "%d/%m/%Y" 6 New feature InsertChildItem and InsertCategory methods added 7 Fixing source added DT_NOPREFIX for each DrawText call 8 New feature xtpGridThemeWhidbey added 9 Fixing source Verbs collection added Xtreme Docking Pane # Type Description 1 New feature CXTPDockingPaneLayout::Serialize method added 2 New feature Added CXTPDockingPaneManager::m_bCloseGroupOnButtonClick = FALSE; CXTPDockingPaneManager::m_bHideGroupOnButtonClick = TRUE; 3 New feature Whidbey theme moved to source code. xtpPaneThemeWhidbey(ThemeWhidbey fo ActiveX) Xtreme Report Control # Type Description 1 Fixing source Fix to allow more than 32000 records. 2 Fixing source Fixed scrollbar issue. 3 New feature ShowHeader property added. 4 New feature Added Virtual List support. Added VirtualList sample. 5 Sample update added Multiline sample for ReportControl. Xtreme Suite Pro # Type Description 1 New feature CommandBarsDesigner: Added Import from/Export to XML; Import/Export to bitmap added. 2 New feature added XML Layout tab for CommandBarsDesigner. 3 New feature ColorManager added for each *GlobalSettings class 4 Sample update added TaskPanel drag'n'drop sample. 5 New feature ShortcutBar::MouseUp event added. 6 New feature TabPaintManager::ColorSet class added 7 New feature TaskPanel::ColoSet property added. 8 New feature TaskPanel::LockRedraw property added 9 New feature added Checked Icon in ImageManager collection. (xtpImageChecked) 10 New feature TaskPanel::BeginDrag, TaskPanel::ItemDrop, TaskPanel::GroupExpanding, TaskPane::GroupExpanded events added 11 Fixing source TabControlItem::Tab changed to variant type. Xtreme Command Bars # Type Description 1 New feature TabPaintManager::Font property added 2 New feature DialogBar class added. 3 New feature CommandBarComboBox::ItemData property added. 4 New feature Added LoadFromXMLString, SaveToXMLString methods 5 New feature "Edit verb" added for Commandbars context menu. 6 New feature Added ICustomizeOptions::CustomIcons, added ICustomizeOptions::ContextMenu, added CommandBars::CustomizedControl, added CommandBars::DeleteAll method 7 New feature Added support of IAccessible interface to enable "Magnifier" and "Narrator" tools. 8 New feature Enhances in NativeWinXP theme 9 New feature Whidbey theme moved to source code. xtpThemeWhidbey 10 New feature Added ability to resize ComboBox and Edit controls by user in Customize mode. 11 New feature xtpFlagControlStretched added. 12 New feature ReadOnly property added for Edit control. Xtreme Property Grid # Type Description 1 New feature Added bindings for Date items 2 New feature PropertyGridItem.Id property added 3 New feature Added PropertyGridItemConstraint class, added new PropertyItemEnum and PropertyItemEnumFlags. Sample updated. 4 New feature PropertyItemCategory type added. 5 New feature PropertyGridItemPicture added. PicturePath property added for PropertyGridItemPicture 6 Fixing source Fixed problem with Date item with "%m/%d/%Y" format instead of "%d/%m/%Y" 7 New feature InsertChildItem and InsertCategory methods added 8 Fixing source added DT_NOPREFIX for each DrawText call 9 New feature xtpGridThemeWhidbey added 10 Fixing source Verbs collection added Xtreme Docking Pane # Type Description 1 New feature Whidbey theme moved to source code. xtpPaneThemeWhidbey(ThemeWhidbey fo ActiveX) 2 New feature TabPaintManager::Font property added 3 New feature DockingPanePaintManager::CaptionFont property added 4 New feature DockingPanePaintManager::HighlighActiveCaption property added 5 New feature DockingPanePaintManager::DrawSingleTab property added 6 Fixing source ShowCaption property moved to DockingPanePaintManager class 7 New feature DefaultPaneOptions property added, PaneNoCaption enum added. 8 New feature Added IDockingPaneOptions::CloseGroupOnButtonClick, added IDockingPaneOptions::HideGroupOnButtonClick Xtreme Report Control # Type Description 1 Fixing source Fix to allow more than 32000 records. 2 Fixing source Fixed scrollbar issue. 3 New feature ShowHeader property added. 4 New feature Added Virtual List support. Added VirtualList sample. 5 New feature ReportRow.EnsureVisible method added 6 New feature GroupBoxBackColor, HighlightBackColor, HighlightForeColor of PaintManager added 7 New feature FieldChooser::SortAscending property addeed, Column::Move method added   VISUAL C++:

Version 9.60

February 15, 2005

Xtreme Toolkit Pro # Type Description 1 Important! Much of the source code has been cleaned up and reformatted with this release. This includes formatting changes made to common naming conventions for enumerations, structures and global functions. As a result many commonly used identifiers are now depreciated. To provide support for depreciated naming conventions you can add the following line of code to your stdafx.h file #define _XTP_INCLUDE_DEPRECIATED just before the line #include "ToolkitPro.h". See XTPDepreciated.h for a complete list of identifiers that have been affected. 2 New feature Added Themes support for standard controls. Added CXTMenuListBox, CXTTabCtrlTheme, CXTFlatControlsTheme, CXTCaptionTheme, CXTFlatTabCtrlTheme 3 New feature Added constans for TrayIcon to support BalonTip without latest PlatformSDK. 4 Fixing source CXTSplitterWnd::SetActivePane was declared as protected. Moved to public section. 5 Fixing source fixed errors and warnings for Intel(r) C++ compiler. 6 Fixing source Fixed All button themes to suppotr GetChecked/SetChecked. Sample updated. 7 Fixing source Fixed bug in XTTreeCtrl when both TVS_TRACKSELECT and TVS_CHECKBOXES used. 8 New feature CXTPTabPaintManager::m_bDrawTextPathEllipsis variable added. 9 New feature Changes to support IA64. 10 New feature CXTPImageManager::RemoveIcon added, CXTPImageManager::SetIcon(UINT) added 11 New feature Added Checked Icon in ImageManager collection. (xtpImageChecked) 12 New feature Added CXTPPropExchange supported by TaskPanel, CommanBars, DockingPane. Updated ToolboxSample. 13 Sample update Added Office2003 theme for GUI_Outlook sample. 14 New feature Added new xtpTaskPanelThemeShortcutBarOffice2003 15 Sample update Grep sample added Xtreme Suite Pro # Type Description 1 New feature CommandBarsDesigner: Added Import from/Export to XML; Import/Export to bitmap added. 2 New feature added XML Layout tab for CommandBarsDesigner. Xtreme Command Bars # Type Description 1 New feature CXTPDialogBar added. see CustomThemes sample 2 New feature Added WM_PRINT message handler to support AnimateWindow routines. 3 New feature Added CXTPCommandBars::RemoveAll method; CXTPCommandBars::SetToolBarClass, CXTPCommandBars::SetMenuBarClass, CXTPCommandBars::SetPopupBarClass static members. 4 New feature Added CXTPPopupBar* CXTPCustomizeSheet::GetContextMenu(); added CXTPImageManager* CXTPCustomizeSheet::GetCustomIcons(); 5 New feature CXTPStatusBars merged with CXTStatusBar 6 New feature All serialize methods removed to DoPropExchange to allow serialize to registry/archive/XML. 7 New feature Added support of IAccessible interface to enable "Magnifier" and "Narrator" tools. 8 New feature Enhances in NativeWinXP theme 9 New feature Whidbey theme moved to source code. xtpThemeWhidbey 10 New feature Added ability to resize ComboBox and Edit controls by user in Customize mode. 11 New feature xtpFlagControlStretched added. 12 New feature ReadOnly property added for Edit control. Xtreme Property Grid # Type Description 1 New feature virtual CXTPProperyGrid::CreateView added to support custom View class. 2 New feature added virtual CXTPPropertyGrid::OnBeforeInsert method. 3 New feature added CXTPPropertyGridItemConstraint class, added new CXTPPropertyGridItemEnum and CXTPPropertyGridItemFlags classes (see sample) 4 New feature CXTPPropertyGridItemCategory added 5 Fixing source Fixed problem with Date item with "%m/%d/%Y" format instead of "%d/%m/%Y" 6 New feature InsertChildItem and InsertCategory methods added 7 Fixing source added DT_NOPREFIX for each DrawText call 8 New feature xtpGridThemeWhidbey added 9 Fixing source Verbs collection added Xtreme Docking Pane # Type Description 1 New feature CXTPDockingPaneLayout::Serialize method added 2 New feature Added CXTPDockingPaneManager::m_bCloseGroupOnButtonClick = FALSE; CXTPDockingPaneManager::m_bHideGroupOnButtonClick = TRUE; 3 New feature Whidbey theme moved to source code. xtpPaneThemeWhidbey(ThemeWhidbey fo ActiveX) Xtreme Report Control # Type Description 1 Fixing source Fix to allow more than 32000 records. 2 Fixing source Fixed scrollbar issue. 3 New feature ShowHeader property added. 4 New feature Added Virtual List support. Added VirtualList sample. 5 Sample update added Multiline sample for ReportControl.