Codejock Developer Community : MFC Updates for Visual Studio 2008 and Beyond http://forum.codejock.com/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 27 Apr 2026 17:25:26 +0000 Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:48:06 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.04 360 forum.codejock.com/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=8232 <![CDATA[Codejock Developer Community]]> http://forum.codejock.com/forum_images/codejock-logo.gif http://forum.codejock.com/ <![CDATA[MFC Updates for Visual Studio 2008 and Beyond : I think if CodeJock added some...]]> http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8232&PID=29103&title=mfc-updates-for-visual-studio-2008-and-beyond#29103 Author: franji1
Subject: 8232
Posted: 02 December 2007 at 3:48pm

I think if CodeJock added some wizards or propertysheet addins to VS to generate code that uses or inherits from the XTP toolkit, then that would help me out a lot.]]> Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:48:06 +0000 http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8232&PID=29103&title=mfc-updates-for-visual-studio-2008-and-beyond#29103 <![CDATA[MFC Updates for Visual Studio 2008 and Beyond : Support wrote:We are considering...]]> http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8232&PID=28956&title=mfc-updates-for-visual-studio-2008-and-beyond#28956 Author: ABuenger
Subject: 8232
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 6:18am

Originally posted by Support Support wrote:

We are considering additional installation options that will allow end users to pick and choose which components they want to install. This way they will have more flexibility when using Codejock controls.


Kirk, don't waste too much time figuring out how to deal with the integration of parts of the BCGControlBar into the next MFC. The EXCLUDE macros are just fine. I don't want to mix BCGs and Codejocks components and I doubt any of your customers want to do this. I prefer to get all controls from a single vendor.

There are still many new controls left you can add to your toolkit, grid, chart, gauges, .... there are many suggestions on the wish list.

]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:18:39 +0000 http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8232&PID=28956&title=mfc-updates-for-visual-studio-2008-and-beyond#28956 <![CDATA[MFC Updates for Visual Studio 2008 and Beyond : robin_l wrote:Thismust be a...]]> http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8232&PID=28720&title=mfc-updates-for-visual-studio-2008-and-beyond#28720 Author: kstowell
Subject: 8232
Posted: 21 November 2007 at 5:41pm

Originally posted by robin_l robin_l wrote:

This must be a cruel blow for Codejock and perhaps you need some time to work out your strategy. However, I think that we need you to give a clear statement of how you intend to proceed.
 
Our strategy is clear and simple. We will continue to develop, improve and enhance or existing MFC product lines. We still feel strongly, as do our customers, that our products are superior and out perform the components that will be added to VS 2008.
 
We are considering additional installation options that will allow end users to pick and choose which components they want to install. This way they will have more flexibility when using Codejock controls.
 
In addition to that we are also looking into alternative and new controls to focus our attention on. These would be items that are not included or offered with the 'MFC Next' vision. And as always, we are also open to any suggestions or comments that our customers have.
 
Cheers,
]]> Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:41:57 +0000 http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8232&PID=28720&title=mfc-updates-for-visual-studio-2008-and-beyond#28720 <![CDATA[MFC Updates for Visual Studio 2008 and Beyond : ABuenger wrote:Posted my opinion...]]> http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8232&PID=28719&title=mfc-updates-for-visual-studio-2008-and-beyond#28719 Author: kstowell
Subject: 8232
Posted: 21 November 2007 at 5:33pm

Originally posted by ABuenger ABuenger wrote:

Posted my opinion on the VC blog here:
http://blogs.msdn.com/vcblog/archive/2007/11/09/channel-9-pat-brenner-overview-of-new-mfc-update.aspx#comments
 
In case anyone else is interested in posting thier opnions, here are 2 more VC blogs that seem to be quite active rearding this subject.

 

http://blogs.msdn.com/somasegar/archive/2007/11/09/visual-c-libraries-update.aspx

 

http://blogs.msdn.com/somasegar/archive/2007/08/08/visual-c-futures.aspx

 
These blogs are also available from the Visual Studio 2008 Start Page.
 
]]> Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:33:51 +0000 http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8232&PID=28719&title=mfc-updates-for-visual-studio-2008-and-beyond#28719 <![CDATA[MFC Updates for Visual Studio 2008 and Beyond : Thismust be a cruel blow for Codejock...]]> http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8232&PID=28549&title=mfc-updates-for-visual-studio-2008-and-beyond#28549 Author: robin_l
Subject: 8232
Posted: 16 November 2007 at 1:33pm

This must be a cruel blow for Codejock and perhaps you need some time to work out your strategy. However, I think that we need you to give a clear statement of how you intend to proceed.]]> Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:33:05 +0000 http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8232&PID=28549&title=mfc-updates-for-visual-studio-2008-and-beyond#28549 <![CDATA[MFC Updates for Visual Studio 2008 and Beyond : Hi, I attented the session...]]> http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8232&PID=28480&title=mfc-updates-for-visual-studio-2008-and-beyond#28480 Author: cpede
Subject: 8232
Posted: 15 November 2007 at 2:32am

Hi,
 
I attented the session about the new upcomming release of MFC at the TechEd conferende in Barcelona.
I have too admit that the presentation was convincing, and hat the MFC framework looked fine and fully integrated.
Offcause I was worried when he told that the new features mainly came from a third party supplier, and it was not Codejock.
My concern is, that now there will be a big overlapp of features between Codejock and MFC. So what are your plans? Are you going to concentrate on new components only, it will seem a little too much to include e.g. ribbons from two frameworks in the same program.
 
I still believe that Codejock is a great tool, and when I compare myself with other developers in my organization using .NET and C#, I can still make the applications the fastest and the best looking using Codejock!
 
-cpede
]]> Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:32:44 +0000 http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8232&PID=28480&title=mfc-updates-for-visual-studio-2008-and-beyond#28480 <![CDATA[MFC Updates for Visual Studio 2008 and Beyond : Press release from BCGSoft: h...]]> http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8232&PID=28349&title=mfc-updates-for-visual-studio-2008-and-beyond#28349 Author: Sven
Subject: 8232
Posted: 10 November 2007 at 4:27am

Press release from BCGSoft:

http://www.bcgsoft.com/pressreleases/PR071110.pdf]]> Sat, 10 Nov 2007 04:27:22 +0000 http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8232&PID=28349&title=mfc-updates-for-visual-studio-2008-and-beyond#28349 <![CDATA[MFC Updates for Visual Studio 2008 and Beyond : Posted my opinion on the VC blog...]]> http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8232&PID=28335&title=mfc-updates-for-visual-studio-2008-and-beyond#28335 Author: ABuenger
Subject: 8232
Posted: 09 November 2007 at 5:47pm

Posted my opinion on the VC blog here:

http://blogs.msdn.com/vcblog/archive/2007/11/09/channel-9-pat-brenner-overview-of-new-mfc-update.aspx#comments

There are more posts about the new controls on the blog:

http://blogs.msdn.com/vcblog/

]]> Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:47:52 +0000 http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8232&PID=28335&title=mfc-updates-for-visual-studio-2008-and-beyond#28335 <![CDATA[MFC Updates for Visual Studio 2008 and Beyond : Hello,Some day ago i read this...]]> http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8232&PID=28313&title=mfc-updates-for-visual-studio-2008-and-beyond#28313 Author: jimmy
Subject: 8232
Posted: 09 November 2007 at 10:26am

Hello,

Some day ago i read this from msdn.
But we allways use and sell Codejock ;-).
It's much better than BCGSoft.

  Jimmy

]]> Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:26:46 +0000 http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8232&PID=28313&title=mfc-updates-for-visual-studio-2008-and-beyond#28313 <![CDATA[MFC Updates for Visual Studio 2008 and Beyond : Hello Kirk,This is actually very...]]> http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8232&PID=28312&title=mfc-updates-for-visual-studio-2008-and-beyond#28312 Author: markr
Subject: 8232
Posted: 09 November 2007 at 10:19am

Hello Kirk,

This is actually very interesting, and it's clear that several things are happening here.

First, Microsoft has received significant backlash from native code developers for having effectively abandoned VC++ (and related libraries such as MFC) in favor of their big "native code" push. It seems they've taken a step back and reviewed their strategy, and are attempting to compensate (to some degree) for their short-sightedness. This is a good thing, and it's long overdue.

In evaluating how they might improve the VC++ developer experience, I'm guessing that Microsoft took a look at their internal resources and decided that it didn't make sense to start building new MFC user interface controls from existing code. After all, they've let MFC languish severely and it would take a massive internal push to modernize what exists today. Besides, why build what you can buy?

The decision to license BCGSoft was probably somewhat arbitrary, and I'm guessing they didn't have much time to make it. If it was March of '07 when they made a decision to license something and they wanted to release something by March of '08, then had to had to act quickly.

I found another Channel 9 video that shows, in more detail, how they're integrating licensed BCGSoft components into MFC 2008:

http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=355087

It's a shame, without a doubt, that MS couldn't have made a more measured decision in terms of control licensing. I'm not familiar with BCGSoft personally (I've been using CodeJock stuff for a long time), but I have to believe the integration of such is a significant advancement for MFC, even if the result is ultimately inferior to CodeJock components in many ways.

I think your customers already know how committed CodeJock is to product quality, Kirk. But in my opinion, business probably just got a bit tougher - you'll need to innovate fairly aggressively now that some of the "bread and butter" controls (docking panels, ribbon, etc.) will be available at no charge from MS. We'll be relying on CodeJock not only for superior implementations, but also for a superior vision of the future.

Finally, I doubt there's much developers could say to Microsoft that would change their current direction on these issues. They've made their decisions and they're going to push them forward, for better or for worse. My advice is to forget about Microsoft and focus on what developers need, and continue to stay ahead of the curve.

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