Codejock Developer Community : Ribbon - some observations/suggestions http://forum.codejock.com/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sat, 13 Jun 2026 01:20:48 +0000 Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:34:43 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.04 360 forum.codejock.com/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=4440 <![CDATA[Codejock Developer Community]]> http://forum.codejock.com/forum_images/codejock-logo.gif http://forum.codejock.com/ <![CDATA[Ribbon - some observations/suggestions : ijwelch wrote:If the end user...]]> http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4440&PID=13768&title=ribbon-some-observations-suggestions#13768 Author: ABuenger
Subject: 4440
Posted: 21 June 2006 at 3:34pm

Originally posted by ijwelch ijwelch wrote:

If the end user can customize the toolbar then it's necessary to be able to find all instances of a tool.
 
Again, you should update your UI state using ON_UPDATE_COMMAND_UI handlers. That will automatically update all controls with the same id.
 
You can even update a command range (ON_UPDATE_COMMAND_UI_RANGE) with a single handler.
 
You should not call Enable/SetCheck methods of the controls because then you are tying your code to the XTP classes without the need of doing this.
 
It shouldn't matter if a command is a menu item or or button on the Ribbon, the control takes care how to display its current state.
 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/vccore/html/_core_Message_Handling_and_Mapping_Topics.asp
 
]]> Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:34:43 +0000 http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4440&PID=13768&title=ribbon-some-observations-suggestions#13768 <![CDATA[Ribbon - some observations/suggestions : &#034;MFC updates the UI only...]]> http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4440&PID=13767&title=ribbon-some-observations-suggestions#13767 Author: ijwelch
Subject: 4440
Posted: 21 June 2006 at 3:14pm

"MFC updates the UI only when it's in idle state, so nothing to worry about."

Ok.

"P.S.: You can also use FindControl to find a controlby id anywhere on the Ribbon. If you have a lot of duplicated commandson the Ribbon you might need to rethink your UI."

If the end user can customize the toolbar then it's necessary to be able to find all instances of a tool.

]]> Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:14:48 +0000 http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4440&PID=13767&title=ribbon-some-observations-suggestions#13767 <![CDATA[Ribbon - some observations/suggestions : ijwelch wrote:Not a lot. Although...]]> http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4440&PID=13757&title=ribbon-some-observations-suggestions#13757 Author: ABuenger
Subject: 4440
Posted: 21 June 2006 at 9:20am

Originally posted by ijwelch ijwelch wrote:

Not a lot. Although it can lead to a waste of resources, more variables, etc. I like to run code to enable/disable controls when needed, not every 10ms or so.
 
MFC updates the UI only when it's in idle state, so nothing to worry about.


Originally posted by ijwelch ijwelch wrote:

The enabled property was just an example. Another common task would be to set the checked property. Right now, to do that, I've got to loop through every tab, every group, and every control.
 
Call CCmdUi::SetCheck in the ON_UPDATE_COMMAND_UI handler.
 
 
P.S.: You can also use FindControl to find a control by id anywhere on the Ribbon. If you have a lot of duplicated commands on the Ribbon you might need to rethink your UI Wink
]]> Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:20:53 +0000 http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4440&PID=13757&title=ribbon-some-observations-suggestions#13757 <![CDATA[Ribbon - some observations/suggestions : Not a lot. Although it can lead...]]> http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4440&PID=13751&title=ribbon-some-observations-suggestions#13751 Author: ijwelch
Subject: 4440
Posted: 21 June 2006 at 2:17am

Not a lot. Although it can lead to a waste of resources, more variables, etc. I like to run code to enable/disable controls when needed, not every 10ms or so.

The enabled property was just an example. Another common task would be to set the checked property. Right now, to do that, I've got to loop through every tab, every group, and every control.

A ControlsByID collection seems a pretty obvious requirement anyway considering the hierarchy of the control, and is probably implemented internally anyway.

]]> Wed, 21 Jun 2006 02:17:08 +0000 http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4440&PID=13751&title=ribbon-some-observations-suggestions#13751 <![CDATA[Ribbon - some observations/suggestions : ijwelch wrote:As a control...]]> http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4440&PID=13730&title=ribbon-some-observations-suggestions#13730 Author: ABuenger
Subject: 4440
Posted: 20 June 2006 at 11:01am

Originally posted by ijwelch ijwelch wrote:

As a control can appear >1 times on the ribbonbar object, it's a bit of a pain having to loop through RibbonTabs, followed by RibbonGroups, followed by Items, in order to (for example) set the enabled property for a particular control id. Perhaps we can have a method to retrieve a collection of CommandBarControls that share the same id? Or in this case, a RibbonBar.EnableControlsByID (ID) method?
 
What's wrong with ON_UPDATE_COMMAND_UI ?
 
]]> Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:01:59 +0000 http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4440&PID=13730&title=ribbon-some-observations-suggestions#13730 <![CDATA[Ribbon - some observations/suggestions : Here&#039;s some observations/suggestions...]]> http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4440&PID=13722&title=ribbon-some-observations-suggestions#13722 Author: ijwelch
Subject: 4440
Posted: 20 June 2006 at 5:18am

Here's some observations/suggestions for the ribbonbar:

The QuickAccessControls item collection has a 1 based index, as opposed to the rest of the controls which are zero based.

As a control can appear >1 times on the ribbonbar object, it's a bit of a pain having to loop through RibbonTabs, followed by RibbonGroups, followed by Items, in order to (for example) set the enabled property for a particular control id. Perhaps we can have a method to retrieve a collection of CommandBarControls that share the same id? Or in this case, a RibbonBar.EnableControlsByID (ID) method?

It'd be nice to have a Visible property on the QuickAccessControls object.

It'd also be nice to be able to hide tabs (eg if there's only one). By this I don't mean hide the entire tab, but just the bit you click on at the top.

Version 10.2 includes the system icon. The only way to get it visible is to use the EnableFrameTheme method. mmm. I want the icon/quick access bar to look like that but I don't want my form skinned.
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