Juzzy wrote: Come on, you guys are developers! You KNOW that beta software is always subject to bugs and fixes before it gets released. You even say it yourself that you shouldn't have done it. Don't bitch about what beta testing should be - we know what it IS. You have got yourself into this mess, don't blame CodeJock.

Actually I would think it is you who does not understand the definition of Beta software. Although Beta is expected to have some bugs, it is also supposed to be feature complete, including finalized interfaces, file formats, etc. Otherwise, you label it as Alpha software.

Thankfully I have not been affected by this issue, so this doesn't affect me directly... That being said I have to recognize it for what it is: a blunder. I think the frustration is justified.

I've upgraded each version of the cj controls over the last two years.  With each upgrade, I've had to spend a few days fixing "uncompalibilities".  Don't tell me what I "know".  The current issue of this thread aside, I'm still working with various gpf's to get our app working again after the "final" release of 10.1.

Having said that, and even considering the time it takes to get issues resolved through this group, I like what cj is doing.  They produce controls that add value to our app.  All that's really being said here is that they could do better.  So could I, and so could you.

BTW, my problem isn't with the beta.  I had a fully working version of the pre-beta software.  According to cj, I shouldn't be having any problems with the move from 9.81 to 10.1.  I am.  The continual need to reload all of my icons, after ANY upgrade, in IconManager is going to drive me nuts.

Cheers,

Dan

Come on, you guys are developers! You KNOW that beta software is always subject to bugs and fixes before it gets released.

You even say it yourself that you shouldn't have done it. Don't bitch about what beta testing should be - we know what it IS.

You have got yourself into this mess, don't blame CodeJock.

I don't agree, and I DO have a backup.  As yet, I am not able to get the 9.81 backup to work with 10.1.

In any event, if cj informed beta testers, in bold print, that using the beta would cause compatibility problems for existing code, I don't think you'd have any beta testers.  I can only speak for myself, but I'm hard pressed to believe there are that many of your customers out there who have set up separate boxes to test your beta.  If the beta is installed on your development box, it does not appear that having the backup is doing any good at this point.

I'll be the first to acknowledge the general rule that one never uses a beta in a production environment.  With development controls however, this can be difficult, if not impossible, if one is trying to modify code to reflect new functionality, etc.

Ah, never mind.  Water under the bridge at this point.

To open the "old" project, I guess I need to uninstall 10.1 AND the 2 betas, correct?  As mentioned previously in this post, I don't seem to be able to open the old 9.81 version with images intact.

Unfortnuntelly imagemanager format not compitable with beta.  When you installed beta you must understand that it is preview version and have to backup old projects.

You can open old project and export images to bitmap and  open with last version and import them.

Tried just opening the old 9.81 project files.  If I do NOT upgrade the cj controls when prompted to do so, the ImageManager control is there, but no bitmaps.  If I DO upgrade the cj controls, no ImageManager.

Would uninstalling the beta and 10.1 maybe help?

Found a saved copy of the 9.81 project files.  Copied over the object references from those old files to the related .vbp and .frm files.

When the project was opened, I was initially prompted to update the codejock controls (good!) from 9.81 to 10.1.

When the form was then opened, got the same error message, plus no ImageManager controls again.

Does the .frx file also have object references that might be causing this problem?  Please help!

If I'm thinking this through correctly, we can easily comment out any 10.1 specific code we have and adjust the object references in our vbp file to get back to 9.81.  These references currently read as follows:

Object={B8E5842E-102B-4289-9D57-3B3F5B5E15D3}#10.1#0; COF8E3~1.OCX
Object={C8E5842E-102B-4289-9D57-3B3F5B5E15D3}#10.1#0; CO286B~1.OCX
Object={555E8FCC-830E-45CC-AF00-A012D5AE7451}#10.1#0; CODEJO~2.OCX
Object={A8E5842E-102B-4289-9D57-3B3F5B5E15D3}#10.1#0; CODE80~1.OCX
Object={945E8FCC-830E-45CC-AF00-A012D5AE7451}#10.1#0; CODEJO~3.OCX
Object={7CAC59E5-B703-4CCF-B326-8B956D962F27}#10.1#0; CO19DE~1.OCX
Object={79EB16A5-917F-4145-AB5F-D3AEA60612D8}#10.1#0; CODEJO~1.OCX

Can anyone provide the references used by 9.81?  I think this would work.

Thanks!

Dan