Codejock Product Road Map From The CEO

Marcus wrote: confusing... It seems they're skipping v14 to catch up with some other product

Hi,
Actually we are right on track with the versioning we have been using for years.  Maybe it is other product vendors trying to catch up to us?

2006 - v10
2007 - v11
2008 - v12
2009 - v13
2010 - v14
2011 - v15

Each "major" version came out for the corresponding year.

I think they unify it in Ver.15.0 to be a best way. Because they already released a totally different Ver.14.0β once several months ago.

confusing...

How about release 15.0 Beta for SuitePro Activex?

Monday 8 version 14.10 will be released (no changes where published, so I think it's still correct)

Friday 5 is last day before rebuild, upload, and so on

2..3 days for final check, regression test, etc. - so

Tuesday 2 is last day to fix bugs reported by beta testers..

 

If I'm not wrong in my agenda we have (given that tomorrow RC build is available) 5..6 working days to install, test and submit problems..

 

Latest beta had 3 releases and lasts than 3 months, options:

A) you have internally tested all code and you are sure it's rock solid

B) there are few changes (except for chart) so that beta is just for test merging versions

C) we can expect a patch release within 2..3 weeks

D) you are about to delay this release

 

More information will be highly appreciated.

When will a beta of Toolkit/Suite will be available when the final release should be in three weeks ?

The GUID's are different but not the CLSID's. If Codejock changes all the CLSID's too, then upgrading to a new version will be a hassle as your project wouldn't recognize the new control. Then you'd have to manually edit all files in notepad to update the CLSID's when you want to upgrade.

@SuperMario
Sorry, but you are wrong!

I've tested the situation now. And gibra has right.
You can develop for example with v13.0.0 and 13.1.0 and 13.2.0 and 13.2.1 ON THE SAME MACHINE to the same TIME (without using COM registrator again and again and again and again...!!!)

BUT you can't develop with 13.3.0 and 13.1.0 and 13.4.0 on the same machine without always calling COM regsitrator again again again... !!!

OK, this problem was fixed with 13.4.1 - BUT with 13.4.2 the problem is back again! You can't develop for example with 13.4.1 and 13.4.2 without starting the COM regsitrator!

Therefore you have (you MUST!) always to remember as a developer to toggle. You forget it one time, your customers will thank you!

@SuperMario
Thank you, I had not ckecked if GUIDS are the same or not (because I don't have installed 13.4.0).
Will like to do it today.

@znakeeye
The problem is another.
Suppose you sell your application. The user uses yet another software compiled with CodeJock components - a version step older or newer. Then one of the two applications would no longer work or simply crash when not functions. This was probably the reason why CodeJock had called it "Important".
BTW: Patching isn't possible because you break the "digital signatur". You would provoke your virus scanner  and enter the DLL hell!

Why don't you patch the guid yourself? ;)

Jebo wrote: @gibra @SuperMario I hope v13.4.2 has also different GUIDS to v13.4.1

Hi,

@gibra
This was a "confirmed bug" and was reportet AND fixed with v13.4.1
See the "Release Notes": "Important - 13.4 version used same GUIDs as 13.3.1, Please update to 13.4.1"

So with v13.4.1 you have again unique GUIDS! Only v13.4 and v13.3.x has the same ones

@SuperMario
I hope v13.4.2 has also different GUIDS to v13.4.1

Existing customers please contact sales and they will set you up with a link.

gibra wrote: Many requests are listed in the post SuiteControls TODO http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=16446&title=suitecontrols-todo   However the MAIN request by me concering the CLSID of all SuiteControl controls. The problem is that each new version will overwrite registration of existing one, because the CLSID still the same.   But i don't want upgrade ALL my projects, because this force me to update all my programs installed for all my customers. I will decide myself the time to upgrade a sigle project.   Form me is a BIG problem. I will explain better the problem: CommandBars.ocx version 13.3.0 and 13.4.0 are the same CLSID:   Object = "{555E8FCC-830E-45CC-AF00-A012D5AE7451}#13.3#0"; "CommandBars.ocx" Object = "{555E8FCC-830E-45CC-AF00-A012D5AE7451}#13.4#0"; "CommandBars.ocx"   Now, due to isn't possible to have two controls registered with same CLSID , only one version can be used.   Of course, latest version is the best, but (again) we can't immediately: - update all projects (need to make TESTs, before upgrade) - after, update all programs installation - last, update all my programs to all my customers   Each OCX release should have a unique CLSID, so we can use more than one version of the same OCX.   Thank.

Each OCX has a unique GUID.

To use multiple versions on your development machine simply run the COM Registrator utility for the version you want, then open your project and work with that version.

End users will not be effected, you can have multiple versions running on the same machine and the program will use the correct OCX.

Problem is if we change CLSID then you would have to update that in all your projects when it comes time to upgrade.  With that point the majority of customers actually prefer the CLSID is not changed.

Many requests are listed in the post

Hello all, the store is still not completely updated.  In the mean time you (existing customers) can call sales and they will manually set you up with a download!   First time customers can simply order directly from the store.

Hi,

Store is up now if you guys haven't checked yet :)

Marco1 wrote: OKAY!!! You finally released the ChartPro package   as promised! But what's its price? And where can I get the full version, what conditions?

Did you read the first post?

And please clean up the mess in XTPReportControl.cpp. Looked at some parts of the code today and... urk! Oleg or Mario, I'll buy you a beer if you spend a couple of hours refactoring you-kno-which parts of the code :)

At least I am not the only one who doesn't really understand what Kirk is saying.

I was expecting a release of the Chart control complete with source no later than October 11th.

ABuenger wrote: Will we see an other Trial version or will the next release be the Beta with source on 11th October?

We will continue to release the trial betas until October 11th, after which we will release Chart as an individual package with source code.  When Toolkit Pro / Suite Pro 14.0 beta is introduced (sometime after October 11th) any new features or enhancements to the chart will then be included in that beta prior to the official 14.0 release date.  There will be no source code included with beta releases.

I really hope White+Scenic skins are included in the next release.

Support wrote: We expect to have the new charting packing completed no later than Monday October 11th. We will continue releasing beta versions of the Chart up to the final release date.

Support wrote: No sources will be provided with product betas.

Not sure if I understand you right Kirk, will you release an other Trial version or a complete package with source till October 11th?

Can you please tell us if you plan to release a chart beta with sources ?

Hi Aaron,

I don't know how to do this for previous posts, but I will do that for further topics...
Thank you !

Is there any possiblity to delete my own posts ?

Hi Tobi,

Can you please add TabControl and/or Tabbed MDI builtin tab style like in Windows Vista/Windows 7 ?
http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=15218

Can you please implement the possibility to fill the MDI tab header workspace background with the color from used menu/toolbar colors independently from which workspace TabAppearanceStyle is used ?

Example:
I use Visual Studio 2008 appearance for CommandBars and want to use tabbed workspace tabs styled like Visual Studio 2005 ! Now the tab background doesn't look good, because it's colored other than the CommandBars...

Related forum topic:
https://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=16094

Please fix differences in Visual Studio 2008 theme/appearance implementation to the original Microsoft one.
These are:

- MDI workspace borders
- Workspace tab colors
- Docking Pane tabs appearance

Related forum topics:
http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=13744
http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=16077

Please enhance the ReportControl TreeLine configuration possiblities as described in this thread
http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=16680

Hi kirk,

I would really love this to be fixed!

Thanks for the roadmap info, good stuff to hear and looking forward to the future versions!

My issues i'd like sorting if poss ...  :
http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=17225&title=keyboard-tips-not-working-for-standard-menu
http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=17258&title=how-to-get-active-mdimenu
http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=17249&title=commandbar-menu-and-docking-panes-on-mdiform
http://forum.codejock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=17104&title=track-control-customisation

Cheers!

Kirk thank you very much for posting a roadmap and providing an update on status and plans. The long silence was very concerning. I also very much appreciate that the suite will be extended with new tools rather than having to purchase a new product and think the pricing you've set is fair.

maintenance version 13.4.1 is a good idea! 

Most Excellent!

I would love to see expanding the Markup controls.

Yes there will be a beta for both Toolkit Pro and Suite Pro prior to the final release date. There are already some samples for the Track Control in the current version of the Toolkit and you can see the Flow Graph included in the current Chart beta.

I would like to take a few moments and provide everyone with an updated product road map and a brief overview of what our intentions are with the next release of Toolkit, Suite and introducing the new Chart product.

First off, lets address the new Chart product. There were some discussions early on that we would create a new product called Toolkit Premium and Suite Premium that would incorporate the Dashboard line of controls including Chart.

After some careful consideration, in fairness to our customers we have decided to build upon the existing Toolkit Pro and Suite Pro product lines instead, adding even more functionality and features to this already powerful framework was the best choice all around.

In order to accomplish this we will have to increase the price point modestly for both packages for new purchases and subscription renewals. Existing customers with current subscriptions will have full access with no additional charge.

PRODUCT ROAD MAP

September 20th, 2010
We plan to release a maintenance version 13.4.1 for Toolkit Pro and Suite Pro no later than Monday next week.

October 11th, 2010
We expect to have the new charting packing completed no later than Monday October 11th. We will continue releasing beta versions of the Chart up to the final release date. Chart will be introduced as a single package at first, but will also be made available to existing Toolkit Pro and Suite Pro customers who have an active subscription that does not expire prior to November 9th, 2010.

With this version we have added some 3D functionality, but our primary focus will be completing core 2D functionality. Here are the features you can expect with the October release:

Bar Views
Bar
Stacked Bar
Full Stacked Bar
Side-by-Side Stacked Bar
Side-by-Side Full Stacked Bar

Point and Line Views
Point
Line
Scatter Line
Step Line
Spline
Bubble

Area Views
Area
Stacked Area
Full Stacked Area
Spline Area
Stacked Spline Area
Full Stacked Spline Area

Pie and Doughnut Views
Pie
Doughnut
3D Pie
3D Doughnut
3D Torus

Funnel Views
Funnel

Range Views
Range Bar
Side-by-Side Range Bar
Gnatt
Side-by-Side Gnatt

Financial
Candle Stick
High Low

November 8th, 2010
The new version of Toolkit Pro, Suite Pro and Chart will be called 2011 (v14.0). We expect to release this new version no later than November 8th, 2010. The new version of Toolkit Pro and Suite Pro will incorporate many new features including: A complete set of Office 2010 and Visual Studio 2010 themes for all controls. We have also added new Track and Flow Graph Controls which many of you know about. We will also be addressing many of the problem reports and feature requests that have been posted on this forum as well with this release.

Price Adjustment
If you purchase / renew your subscription for Toolkit Pro or Suite Pro now you will have full access to all of these features including Chart at no additional cost. After November 8th expect to see the cost for a single seat license of Toolkit Pro and Suite Pro to increase modestly by $100 and $25 for renewals.

Future Plans / Goals
We are fully dedicated to the development of Toolkit Pro for MFC and Suite Pro for ActiveX, adding new features and enhancements regularly. In addition to the Chart we have plans on adding a full line of Dashboard controls for Guage and Map as well. We are excited about the upcoming year and hope to increase our customer awareness and overall product satisfaction.

Feature Requests / Bug Reports
If you are concerned about us addressing outstanding feature requests or bug reports, please feel free to post a link to them or mention them in this thread.

Thanks for your time, and I hope this helps to address some of your questions and / or concerns.